Haiku:

Awesome peer meetup
An arty venue in MK
Great to get things done

Attendees:

NS:  Niels Sprong

ND: Nadeem Shabir

JC:   Joe Cornelli

RB:  Rebecca Kahn (over skype)

Venue was:

MK Gallery

900 Midsummer Blvd

Milton Keynes MK9 3QA

T +44 (0)1908 676 900

Ideas we tabled as a rough agenda:

Every thing under here is raw notes

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Nad Notes

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JC. - Connecting Research, working with NS, feed into the research landing page, where is p2pu from a research point of view.
    - Learn about the P2PU platform
    - Talk about classes, and feedback
    - Understanding P2PU Roadmap,
      - crystallising the roadmap into something digestible
      - NS. ACTION: Stories where fun, but provide lots of context into Roadmap  

NS: ACTION: A visualisation of What is P2PU? as a way to communicate what P2PU is.

JC: Could some of the outputs of today be QA items that we could add to the site.
    Generate questions (p2pu jeopardy)

JC/RB Solid list of stuff on tracker. Submit items to dev list, as specs for things we think need doing to address issues we have disussed.
i.e. RSS feed of frequently asked questions appearing on the front page etc.

Split day into :
-Courses / Feedback
-Research / Roadmap
-Tech Platform

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JC: Roadmap Concerns:
- Governance, concern about perception (paraphrasing W. Johnson at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2011-January/000747.html):
  - "They are completely closed from the control from the top."
  - "P2PU is open in terms of contribute and add, but no way to have a voice."
    - "Completely top down control."
  - Joe: my own concern is: If it is all open governance, then roadmap should exist, be transparent, visible, extensible.
  - NS: there is no puppet master, if someone didnt jump into the open space, its really because no-one did jump in.
 
  - JC: perception 'You weren't in barcelona, then you dont know what got decided'.
        ACTION: Outputs from all meetups need to be accessible to people who were not there.
        
  (JC: planetmath.org)
 
  - JC: What should the roadmap look like?

  ACTION: provide somewhere on the site PROMINENTLY:
  - JC: How can I get involved? These are the ways (Used these same metrics on individuals profiles, that way the same lense is used on both institution and individual basis):
        - By asking some questions
        - By start courses
        - Participate courses
        - Write some code
        - Do some research
        - try to do something around governance? to grow the organization.
           - join in our community calls
        - ... Roadmap
 
  - ACTION: Encourage more P2PU Meetups. As a way to transfer tacit knowledge.
 
  - ACTION: Include a set of RSS feeds, that are aggregated onto front page, using some specific tags.
    - Feed of meeting notes.
        
  - JC: I do not like the Wiki. Forum posting isn't good either


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JC: Course Feedback / Concerns

JC is trying to use his new math platform on his courses for his research, but is concerned around keeping participation.
So:
 - Need better analytics on
  - Where are people not getting involved?
  - Where are people dropping out?

 - NS: A course is about creating a community.
 - NS: Do not decline/reject anyone who passes the application process. Let the group be as big as possible, and start and see who stays engaged.
 - ND: do we need to do more around understanding peoples motivations to begin with. Intrinsic vs Extrinsic motivation.
 
 - JC: Observation: People are not members of a the P2PU community as members of P2PU but rather members of course communities.
 - JC: Idea: Would be useful to see what others are interested in, so you can find others that could be interesting.
    - ACTION: Profile page, surface more information about usage.
 - Marisa Open Governance course is going really well. Having more than one facilitator helps, more than one person for participants to refer to.
 
Continuous Dev Seminars
Continuous Research Seminars
Research Projects could feel like Courses but are actually more collaborative.

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Research Discussion
JC: paper is about: Why do we need new theories of peer based learning? Philosophies of online learning.
NS: paper is about: Collective Intelligence, building communities and OER.
JC: 2012 P2PU Symposium - Networked Learning Conference? is this a great place to present our research group outputs
NS: Daniella De Silva, online conference.

Research Landing Page Elements
- Research About P2PU
- Research being done at P2PU

ND: ACTION: Research Working Group needs to take a lead on deciding on the content that needs to go on there, but get this created.
    ACTION: NS: To progress this with the Research Working Group

JC: Organisation could gain a lot from adding the data in the roadmap spreadsheet into the QA issue tracker.

NS/JC/ND: ACTION: We need more chicks to take minutes from Meetings


For Next Time - We didnt get to:
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- JC: Concern: P2PU has one foot with web on the platform, and one foot in the open source as a platform, and strategically we need to decide which way to go, by transitioning towards things that are Open Source.

- NS: Continuous P2PU Dev / Research Seminars
- Everyone: Make sure we organise better in advance. Tenatative date: 26/02/2011, ND: to see if we can use Talis as venue.

Niels Notes:

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Fixing the roadmap!

Visualize the issues: what is p2pu?  

How can you get involved?

Ask questions
start courses
participate in courses
BLOG about P2PU
P2PU meetups is possibe!
Write code
Do some research
Community call
Governance: how does the list grow?

Dude who posts stuff in wikiversity: wikiversity is interesting, if you want to create courses, do that the wiki way. P2PU is closed and controlled from the top.

Governance structure, strategic roadmap: quiet again. JC: If you hadn't been in Barcelona, you don't know that.

Nadeem: it's hard to understand what the roadmap is. We defeintely need to be more accessible. It's not dumped down, but it's summed up.

JC: communities have similar problems across the board, so it's not realistic to expect that p2pu solves those.

Nadeem: Ubuntu has a clear vision. One of the difficulties with p2pu is that we all have different views on where we are headed.  We are experimenting with what we are doing.

At this point it seems like the new platform will make it more interesting for new developers. But: P2PU is not about writing a technical platform. What we are struggling with is to come up with a substitution for century old institutions.  What could be the case is that if we have a technical platform it will be easier to understand the social/reshaping issues we are talking about.

Nadeem: The number of people involved in developing the platform is always way smaller than people using the platform.

Nadeem: what we didn't want is Wikipedia, that your rights are upgraded as your quantity of contributions  increases.

I don't think anyone could have predicted the amount of interest for the School of Webcraft. P2PU
deals with courses that are heavily under-sunbscribed and oversubscribed.

JOE's point: when you arrive at the website you don't know what P2PU is, it needs to be clear that:

One of the ways we could use the school of web craft: get people into the school of web-craft to hack on the website. What we are layering into that is a process, and that process has definitely not been crystallized yet.

Continuous p2pu-dev seminar. Continuous p2pu research-seminar.

Notion of assignments is not peer based in general. If this works for the p2pu development team, doesn't it work for other development teams?
 

Joes Notes:

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PROBLEM

governance vs roadmap

what would a P2PU roadmap even look like?

What would you get done in the next 12 months?

to be able to deal with both large numbers and small numbers of
applicants for classes

How can I get involved (e.g. beyond organizing a course)?

P2PU FEATURE LIST

technology platform
social platform
rich population of people asking interesting questions
user homepages - show what people have done in their courses?
put "starred" items into profile pages
use people as access methods

a few courses as museum

continuous seminar with all the functions of a course
* projects

seminar feels more "peer based"

blogs or mailing lists can tend to be all talk no action, but courses
or seminars in the P2PU model can help people solve common
problems!!!!!!!!!!

alan dix: HCI

"You need someone with credibility."

research landing page as an access method with its own rss feeds etc.

P2PU ISSUES TO PUT INTO THE TRACKER

the ability of participants to create pages on P2PU

research landing page: mechanics can be added later